028 Revolution Fan Podcast – The Dark Tower

S01E20-The-Dark-Tower-misslesIn this episode of Revolution Fan Podcast, Tom, Jenn, Shelley and Rob talk about the Revolution season finale (episode 20), The Dark Tower. We update Questions & Answers and Kill Count and read and talk about your feedback.

In this week’s discussion of the episode, we talked about:

  • The continuation of unusual temporary alliances, like Miles, Monroe and Nora at the start of the episode
  • The Miles and Monroe showdowns, and Miles’ revelation that he and Monroe are still “brothers”
  • The flashbacks to show that Monroe killing the bombers wife and children was the start of the differences between Miles and Monroe
  • A little more about how the show will be Wednesdays at 8 PM next season
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  • Neville and his leadership this week. We still like the character but he showed again how brutal he is
  • The Neville and Jason relationship and how Jason has been “betrayed” by his father again
  • The Rachel and Grace scene and how it was all about Danny
  • Rachel’s favoritism about Danny: The day he was born was the happiest day of her life
  • How Rachel disregarded Charlie’s plea for help for Nora
  • The Nora/Rachel scene where Nora said Miles loved Rachel and would always choose her. We took this back to the scene where Nora tried to break up with Miles the morning after they were last together
  • How we felt about Dan and his Tower People getting killed
  • Aaron writing the operating system that the Tower used
  • The short ASCII code on Aaron’s screen that said “Light the W” (cut off the screen) right before Aaron restored power
  • Randall and his actions, launching ICBMs, probably armed with nuclear weapons, at Philadelphia and Atlanta
  • The President and his staff at the United States Colony in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
  • Whether nuking those cities was part of the US Government’s plan
  • Whether the bombs will successfully detonate, or will Aaron maybe shut off the power again so the bombs won’t harm them
  • Our suspension of disbelief that the power plants, power grids, and wiring to houses were all in tact after 15 years of maintenance
  • What the different factions will do at the start of next season. Is Neville still going to have his alliance with Georgia?
  • How will Neville’s folks or Miles’s folks find out about the United States Colony and their return?
  • We talked about who this President was. Was he the surviving President from 2012, or someone newly elected, or someone else?

We talked about this week’s Footnotes which was another Aaron’s Journal Entry called The End.

Revolution Revealed episode 20 is here. The Interactive Map had new entries for the Tower and Cuba.

We also talked about our Questions and Answers from this week. We had a lot of answers this week and good new questions.

We reviewed the Kill Count for this week and the total for season 1.

We read email feedback from Keith, Natalie and Roger. Keith talked about Wool and how many people you would need to have enough genetic material to sustain. He also gave this link. Natalie had a couple of questions that we talked about. Roger brought up points about a variety of things from the episode. It reminded us to talk about Miles’s reaction to Nora’s death.

We talked about how we will probably record one new podcast episode, probably mid-August before Season 2 starts. We might try to give some Season 1 awards like best one-liner and best plea.

Shelley’s article about Philadelphia Wizard World is here.

We read an email feedback from Debbie Pyle who brought up new questions for our QA page. She brings up a great point that Ben significantly changed from one week before the blackout (when he thought it was unlikely to be a worldwide blackout) to right before the blackout (when he said it was going to turn off and never turn on).

We played a voicemail from Jeff from Massachusetts. We didn’t talk that much about what will happen next season with the United States Colony.

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9 Responses to 028 Revolution Fan Podcast – The Dark Tower

  1. Kyle Pope says:

    The first season of Revolution will be released to DVD and Blu-Ray on Sept 3, 2013.

  2. Kyle Pope says:

    Revolution has completed its first season and I am not sure what I saw. The show was initially presented as a science fiction survival drama about a world where electricity has effectively ceased to exist. By the time it was over the show had changed directions so violently so many times it was enough to give the viewer whiplash.

    Initially we were offered Charlie Matheson as the point-of-view character through whose eyes we would experience the post-apocalyptic landscape. She turned out to be so bad at it that halfway through she was shoved into the background and the adult characters (Miles, Bass, Tom, Rachel, Aaron et al) came to the fore and carried the narrative to its conclusion.

    The show opened on a gritty world of local warlords ruling over communities of survivors chafing under their yoke. Everything suggested a slow burn to eventual open revolt throwing off the new order and re-establishing liberty. It soon devolved into a prime time soap opera centered on youthful infatuation, homoerotic fixation, sexual betrayal, facing regrets and confronting ghosts from the past.

    Electricity was supposed to be gone but it turned out it was still there and available to those in possession of a special amulet. This amulet was proof that the phenomenon that killed electricity was man made. We learned that there were 12 of these amulets and they held the secret to the restoration of power. By the time we reached the end these amulets were being destroyed with abandon and it eventually turned out they had nothing to do with restoring power at all.

    Offered up as a science fiction program whose underlying premise was purported to be confirmed by consulting physicists as fully plausible, the show soon became complete fantasy as basic principles of how this world and the things in it work both with and without electricity were completely ignored turning electricity into magic capable of performing whatever the plot required. And don’t get me started on the nanites.

    Initial concepts like the scarcity of modern weapons and ammunition, problems associated with long distance transportation and communication, the absence of modern medical care, the production of sufficient food, procurement of fresh water, etc. were abandoned as they became plot impediments. We opened with soldiers reduced to using muzzleloading rifles and swords as their primary armament, getting around by foot or on horseback and sending runners to carry information back to command. By the time we were halfway through we had modern assault rifles and the ammunition to feed them in abundance, attack helicopters carrying chainguns and rockets, drones, weaponized anthrax and finally nuclear weapons. Shoeleather and horseflesh eventually gave way to helicopters and humvees while runners and messengers gave way to manpack radios of unbelievable range.

    We are told that after the Blackout the world fell into a period of war and brutality that decimated the population. Famine and disease spread throughout the world scattering whatever survivors that remained as they searched for food and safety. Despite this chaos our characters had no trouble finding old friends within walking distance. In one case an entire town and its population remained relatively intact despite 15 years of hell.

    By the time we reached the season finale essentially nothing of the show’s original concept remained. We were fully into advanced nanotechnology, electromagnetic weaponry, high tech subterranean bunkers, governments in exile and global satellite monitoring. The final act was to completely discard the initial concept of a world without electricity. Now we’re in a standard trope of various factions fighting over the ruins of a post-apocalyptic world. Welcome to the television remake of Mad Max.

    I admire NBC for the attempt. Good television science fiction is hard to do. So hard that a cable channel supposedly dedicated to it pulled out of the genre in favor of cheesy, low budget horror films and renamed itself “SyFy”. I am loathe to admit that the days of quality American science fiction television that gave us “The Outer Limits”, “The Twilight Zone”, “Star Trek”, “Babylon 5” and “Firefly” are over if Revolution is the new paradigm. The current bearers of that torch are now our friends across the Atlantic at BBC that have given the world the current incarnation of “Doctor Who” as well as “Orphan Black”, “In the Flesh” and, though not science fiction, “Sherlock”.

    I don’t hold out much hope for NBC to take what they’ve produced here and turn it into a family friendly show suitable for an eight o’clock time slot. Especially without the strong lead in provided by “The Voice”. With some really strong competition for science fiction television viewers coming from the other networks this show may not make it all the way through its second season.

    • Tom Snively says:

      Well, I can’t disagree with your first couple of paragraphs here. However, I am still a Revolution fan, and I am excited to find out what happens in season 2. 🙂

      This site is for Revolution Fan Podcast, and as I’ve been saying in the intros, it’s a show made by Revolution fans, for Revolution fans.


  3. Kyle Pope says:

    I am a science fiction fan. I grew up reading and watching some of the best on offer. I voraciously read Heinlein, Clarke, Asimov, Anderson, Norton, Ellison, etc. Television offered The Twilight Zone with iconic episodes like Time Enough at Last, It’s a Good Life and The Invaders. The Outer Limits had Demon with a Glass Hand, The Architects of Fear and The Sixth Finger. Then you had Star Trek. This was science fiction written by the biggest names in the genre. And they didn’t hold back. Their stories and scripts gave you full credit for being intelligent and educated and hit you with ideas that left you scratching your head in a good way.

    There’s nothing new about Revolution. Its basic story is as old as the Book of Revelation and even older. I want to like this show. I like the concept and the potential is there. But either the creators weren’t up to the task or they weren’t allowed to be. Revolution wouldn’t be the first show to be destroyed by network executives more interested in producing a commodity rather than art. That appears to be what happened here as Revolution was tied to The Voice to the point of pulling it off the air rather than risk letting the show fly solo without its powerful lead in. After the hiatus it was clear massive changes in the show’s narrative had taken place. NBC is desperate for a hit in a television environment dominated by hundreds of alternative cable channels and internet offerings. Now with its move to Wednesdays at 8:00 PM the show has completely shifted its target demographic.

    I may come off as being hyper-critical. In fact, I’m sure I do. But I’m coming from an entirely different set of standards. I grew up watching science fiction shows that routinely took home Hugos and Nebulas rather than Emmys. I can’t forget that when I watch television’s latest offerings.

  4. Todd says:

    Nobody seems to be picking up on all the hints that Rachel caused the blackout. She did it to save Danny’s life – we already know that the proliferation of nanites was keeping him alive. In “The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia” she alludes to Dr. Warren that she has done horrible things to keep Danny alive and killed “too many people”. In a flashback in “Children of Men” she has a suicidal breakdown about over it (although she does not tell Ben the whole truth). And in this episode she hushes up Aaron when he starts to explain how someone used his backdoor to purposely cause the blackout. It was Rachel – crazy-ass Rachel!!!

  5. Kyle Pope says:

    Revolution Season 1 is out on Blu-ray and DVD.

  6. Kyle Pope says:

    Revolution has just turned up on the SyFy Channel.

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