005 Revolution Fan Podcast – The Plague Dogs

podcast-150x150.jpg (150×150)In this episode of Revolution Fan Podcast, Tom, Jenn, Shelley and Stephen talk about Revolution season 1, episode 4, The Plague Dogs. We introduce a segment called Scientific Revolution and read your feedback.

We thanked Cooper from the Hugmented podcast for interviewing Tom, Jenn and Stephen. We will post the link to his podcast episode with our interview.

In our discussion of The Plague Dogs, we covered:

  • How we liked the episode, how it was Mom-centered, and had good character development
  • the trap at the beginning to find out if Danny was near
  • Miles as Darth Vader, wearing the black coat with the militia, and where he seems to be on his journey
  • Maggie’s video call with kids; as a doctor in Seattle
  • the Revolution Revealed video on this episode
  • some talk about the dogs
  • more about Rachel and her and Ben’s secrets
  • whether “algebra teacher” is a codeword for the device owners
  • Miles’ statement about it not being his fault for “what happened to her Mom”
  • Charlie’s and Rachel’s flashback about their parting scene
  • Maggie’s walking journey, and the fate of ships capable of taking her to England
  • Maggie’s conversation with Miles where she talks about giving up, and being saved by Ben and his family
  • The possibilities with Ben, Miles, and the knowledge about Rachel over the 15 years
  • Charlie’s capture and rescue and the use of Nate
  • Danny and Captain Neville in the storm cellar
  • Maggie’s death scene and her final flashback
  • Monroe’s questioning and torturing techniques, and how little he knows at this point

We talk briefly about what’s coming next week for the Soul Train episode.

Stephen introduces the Scientific Revolution segment, where he talks about lack of ammunition (hand loading), smokeless powder, and water wheels. He talks about the availability of good lumber and metal.

We read emails from Andy Fatman, Nasty Butler, and Audrey from Texas.

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19 Responses to 005 Revolution Fan Podcast – The Plague Dogs

  1. Kyle Pope says:

    I found this episode something of a mixed bag. Very little in developing the overall story arc but a lot of character development with Maggie before her tragic death. I just wish the writers had done a better job crafting her story because they left plot holes you could sail a trans-Atlantic liner through. I really would like to enjoy this show. There’s certainly a dearth of good science fiction programming on TV these days. But the poor craftsmanship of this show keeps pulling me out of the moment like sour notes during a concert.

    Maggie story is certainly a tragedy provided you don’t look at it too close or think about it too hard. We are told that Maggie walked from Seattle to the east coast and then wandered looking for a ship to take her home. Quite the odyssey. But how did Maggie make such a journey wearing that one outfit and carrying that tiny backpack? This was a post-apocalyptic landscape with no convenient sources of supply and threats of every sort wandering the countryside. What did she eat? What did she drink? Where did she sleep? How did she avoid rape, murder or enslavement? This trip would have taken years. She would have spent several winters on the road. She had no visible weapons with which to hunt or defend herself. No tent or even a bedroll. Anyone who has been on a day hike or a weekend camping trip can tell you how much stuff you need to carry with you when spending time in the wilderness. Maggie was carrying less gear that your average student on a college campus.

    When Maggie reaches the east coast she is told that going to England is like going to the moon. There are no tall ships and all the steam ships were either destroyed or commandeered by the militia. So how is this a problem? The vast majority of modern merchant and military shipping is diesel powered. The ships will have lost all electrical functions like lighting, refrigeration, communication, satellite navigation, etc. but they can still move. Their diesel engines will run just fine without electricity while celestial navigation will get you anywhere you want to go. Granted in the confusion following the Blackout transatlantic travel wouldn’t be an option but after things settle down merchant marine crews would certainly be converting their ships to non-electric operation. A ship would provide a crew with a protected enclave that was also mobile and allow them to trade transport services for supplies. Fuel could be easily obtained from abandoned fueling depots or other anchored vessels. Plus there would probably be a lot of stranded crews who wanted to get back to their home ports. Since electrical failures are one of the emergencies that can befall a ship at sea, they have equipment and procedures for coping with it. And there are thousands of merchant ships docked in the myriad ports along the eastern seaboard. There is no reason that Maggie couldn’t have found a ride back to Europe even if she had to take an ocean going tugboat over by herself.

    Where did the militia acquire this godlike power to commandeer everything? We’re told nobody has guns and ammunition because the militia took them all. Now we’re told nobody has ships because the militia took them all. Apparently the steam train in the next episode is militia property as well. How big is this militia that they can grab everything in sight with no resistance? Are there no other organized forces or groups intent on protecting their interests and survival? There’s no reason to cooperate with the militia. They offer nothing in return for what they take. If you’re the captain or crew of a stranded ship and you just want to get home to your family who may or may not be still alive are you going to hand over your ride to a bunch of thugs with swords? I would like a plausible explanation as to how this bunch got so powerful.

    Aaron has just had his leg ripped open by a dog who moments before was feeding on carrion. We see Maggie wrap a bandage around it and the wound disappears for the rest of the episode. Aaron should be in serious danger of fatal infection not to mention the sheer physical damage that was done by the dog bite. He shouldn’t even be standing much less walking and running. This is especially glaring since we’re being shown how dangerous the world is now that medicine and proper medical care is no longer available.

    Danny continues to fail to impress in any category other than sheer idiocy. I’d like to know what he thought Neville was going to do once he was freed. You’d think Danny would have been smart enough to cuff Neville and take his pistol before moving that beam.

    I will miss Maggie. With her death there is now one less adult in the room leaving Miles the burden of being the sole smart and savvy one. Given that he is now saddled with a crew possessed of a monumental inability to comprehend the nature of the world in which they’re living it’s going to be all he can do to keep them alive.

    • Tom Snively says:

      Kyle,

      You make a lot of good points. I’m sure we’ll learn more about the militia. I think the train is theirs.

      Maggie probably had a knife but it’s hard to hunt with just that. She would have to drink a lot of non-purified water. She knew that it was rough out there, and maybe survived on her poisoned whiskey… But yes, she would have needed a pack with a tent, etc.

      -Tom

      • Kyle Pope says:

        You can survive in the wilderness with just a good knife. You can’t hunt with it but you can built traps and snares for small and medium game. If you’re ambitious you can built traps for large game too but it’s rarely worth the effort. I know as I had to take a survival course while in the air force. A knife can allow you to make anything you need provided there are raw materials available. At minimum Maggie will need a knife and some means of starting a fire. Assuming she has the know-how she can make everything else. The problem is she should still have that gear with her when we saw her trying to flag down a ship.

  2. Jim Miller says:

    Another great podcast! I have listened to both your and GSM’s and they are both really good. I like your a bit more because the four of you provide a broader mix of opinions and insights.

    You brought up some questions or points during the podcast that I’d like to comment on. First, the official NBC recap for ‘Plague Dogs’ says Charlie was 12 when Rachel left. That puts definite bounds on how long she had been a captive and how long Miles has been out of the militia. Charlie was 5 at the time of the blackout. Therefore, it was blackout+7 years when Rachel left them. And some time after that when Maggie met Ben at the little lake.

    The NBC interactive map says the Mathesons were living in Sylvania Estates when Rachel left. Although I don’t know how much to trust the interactive map because it also shows that Maggie tried to find a ship in Duluth, MN whereas the caption seen during the start of that scene said it was Buffalo, NY. Duluth actually makes more sense to me as that would be the first port city with access to the Atlantic that you would reach if you were walking eastward from Seattle. Maybe the caption was wrong. At any rate, if they were at Sylvania Estates at that time, that means Ben met Maggie after Ben and the girls had already settled at Sylvania Estates. Therefore they must have just been out on a foraging trip and were planning on heading back home. The sun was setting and they had already made a campfire, so I’m guessing they were planning to camp out and return home in the morning.

    You guys were speculating on the device we seen in Rachel’s journal. To me it looked like a section of a particle accelerator. Here is a screen grab of the diagram from GSM’s post:

    Rachel device

    Compare that with this photo of the ATLAS detector which is part of the Large Hadron Collider at CERN:

    ATLAS detector

    It just so happens that there is a large particle accelerator just outside of Chicago (Fermilab). Furthermore, the University of Chicago has ties to it. Maybe Ben and/or Rachel was working with Fermilab in collaboration with CERN and either caused the blackout or detected it was imminent. Now that I think about it, this show was probably being pitched while the Large Hadron Collider was coming online. If you recall there were people claiming it would create mini-black holes that could destroy the Earth. Maybe these news stories inspired the creators of Revolution and gave them an idea for how all electricity could be disrupted. Maybe not via a mini-black hole, but perhaps through the discovery of new physics as a result of experiments done at Fermilab or CERN. Anyway, for me, the resemblance of the drawing to the ATLAS detector indicates there’s a good chance a particle accelerator is going to play a role in the story eventually.

    • Tom Snively says:

      Jim,

      Good points. I think she was in Buffalo when she talked to that boat guy. You may be able to get to the Atlantic from Montana, but they told her there that people don’t do it, so she walked to Buffalo where there would be fewer lakes to travel over.

      Yes, the picture for Duluth was actually the scene in Wisconsin where she met Ben. It makes sense to me that Ben, Rachel and the kids settled into Sylvania Estates in the first 7 years. Then Rachel turned herself in. Then years passed. Then they were “camping” a few miles from Sylvania Estates when Ben met Maggie.

      The particle accelerator theory is wild but of course possible. I really haven’t thought about the drawings much.

      -Tom

  3. Jamie Vlahakis says:

    Maggie’s death was pretty sad It was remenecent of the gone too soon demise of Aerith Gainboro in Final Fantasy VII, May Maggie rest in peace with Ben Matheson.

    • Jim Miller says:

      I was really surprised at how much Maggie’s death affected me. I was pretty sure she was going to be the one to go because she was not listing among the cast on the official NBC Revolution site. The writers did a great job making me care about Maggie in this last episode. I put up a photo tribute to her on my blog.

      I am still curious why they decided to kill her off. I can see how doing so was a mechanism for bringing Miles and Charlie closer together, but I believe there was something else going on, too. I think I read somewhere that after the pilot was made the creators of the show came up with a new idea for Rachel (i.e. she was still alive and involved in the blackout somehow) and therefore the character of Maggie no longer fit well in the new plot lines. We may never know, but I will always be curious what the original plan was for Maggie’s character.

  4. Kyle Pope says:

    Scientific Revolution: Ammunition 101

    Revolution made the point that modern cased ammunition is as rare as diamonds. That is actually correct as diamonds are themselves not rare but that is another discussion. The fact is that modern cartridge ammunition can be easily fabricated by anyone with a decent machine shop. There are four components to the modern cartridge. They are the projectile (bullet), propellant, primer and case.

    Bullets can be molded out of lead or shaped out of other metals on a lathe. Hobbyists do it all the time and bullet molds for any caliber or type of bullet can be found in any gun shop or sporting goods store. Lead can be found on the tires of any car. It’s what the balancing weights are made of.

    The case is just a drawn brass, steel or aluminum tube closed at one end and a small priming hole. Any competent metalworker can turn them out without breaking a sweat.

    Propellant can be black powder or smokeless powder. Black powder was used for hundreds of years up until around the end of the American Civil War. It has two disadvantages, fouling and smoke. Eventually it was superseded by smokeless powder which lacked these disadvantages and was also more powerful. Making black powder is quite simple. This is but one of many YouTube videos showing the process.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwb2HQOIOUI

    The base component of smokeless powder is nitrocellulose or guncotton. This is a YouTube video on how it’s made.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldPHzCnRYos

    The final component is the primer. People seem to think this is the deal breaker on hand rolled ammunition. It isn’t. If you can turn out a brass cartridge case then you can certainly turn out a copper priming cap. All you need now is fulminate of mercury. Here’s how you make that.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkYmeGTI6eU

    Now mercury fulminate in no longer used as a commercial or military primer because of its corrosive effects on cartridge cases and gun barrels. You will have to clean your weapon frequently with this type of primer and you can’t reload the fired brass. Other chemical primers exist that don’t have this effect like lead styphnate. A quick Google search will tell you how to make that as well as other alternatives.

    So the idea of cased ammunition being a rare, finite resource is nonsense. It’s as rational as using up the world supply of knives. Anyway, I hope this information helps increase your understanding of this aspect of the Revolution universe.

    • Rob Kearney says:

      I see your point about the re-loaded ammo but how many average Americans know the entire process, and wouldn’t it stand to reason that those who do know the process would be grabbed by the militia? I don’t think that it’s a huge stretch of the imagination that the world “forgot” how to do many things after the catostophic blackout. After all the world forgot how to make concrete after Rome fell. After any catastrophy in histoy it would be common for society to fall back severl generations in technology. In modern times with how everything is digitized it isn’t that great of a leap that we’d fall even further (as evidenced that you posted Youtube clips on how to make blackpowder).

      Also with the ammount of cased ammo, we have no idea the size and duration of the wars that were mentioned and how much ammunition was used. It stands to reason at the early stages of the conflicts that the people fighting only thought that the black out was a temporary situation and that the lights and factories would be up and running in a matter of time. So they could have fought those battles not worrying about the conserving ammo. Also they made mantion how Monroe laid waste to LA. Urban warfare is a drain on ammo quickly depleting the 210 rounds that an infantryman carries in his normal loadout, the militia could have burned through millions of rounds before they realized that they needed to conserve that resource.

      Now for a more practical point, Monroe may be hoardign all the automatic weapons and cased ammo for another purpose. We’ve seen in the pilot that Monroe’s guards are armed with MP-5’s (with holographic sights, but I’m sure the producers just thought that it’d make them look cool rather than thinking about how they wouldn’t work without batteries). Monroe may be arming the regular militia with the muskets (1853 pattern enfeilds if I’m not mistaken) and has a group of feircly loyal troops that he arms with the more modern weapons as a protection of the Militia from overthrowing him. Those 4-5 guys that guarded his tent with MP-5’s could make short work of the guys with the Enfeilds that need to get shoulder to shoulder and volley fire to have any guarentee of hitting anything more than 25 yards away.

      I don’t want to make it sound like I’m picking apart your gripes about the show, after 15 years as an Army Infantryman I see the points of the show where the plot seems to overide reality (somewhat) but so far I think they are doing a decent enough job of telling a story.

      • Kyle Pope says:

        As far as reloading ammo goes and how many Americans would know how to do it, the answer is millions. It is understandable that people who grew up in cities would look at the things around them and have no clue as to how they came into existence. There’s no reason to when you can hop over to the local mall and obtain or replace anything you might want or have. But go inland from the coasts and you will find a different world in the rural areas of this country where people have both the tools and the knowledge to make just about anything simply because they have to. Reloading ammo is a hobby. There are libraries of books of formulations and specifications for every cartridge that exists or has ever existed. Remember that the people posting those YouTube clips already know the process. Unless they all died there is someone out there making guns and ammo. They did it on the American frontier and they can do it in Revolution.

        Regarding ammunition consumption during war. During WWII from Peal Harbor to VJ day the US supplied itself and 43 foreign nations with 47 billion rounds of small arms ammunition (http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2003/the-great-arsenal-of-democracy.aspx?s=ordnance%20team&st=&ps=). Allow for similar levels of production for Britain and the Soviet Union and you can extrapolate ammo consumption by the Allies from 1941 to 1945. I imagine Axis forces were producing and consuming at similar levels. Much wartime ammo production on both sides was a cottage industry supporting the main arsenals. This is just what the Army produces for itself (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.almc.army.mil/alog/issues/SepOct10/Story_Images/ch704_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.almc.army.mil/alog/issues/SepOct10/spectrum_smallarms_ammo.html&h=388&w=670&sz=47&tbnid=yrFY1WqPep6DdM:&tbnh=69&tbnw=120&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522small%2Barms%2Bammunition%2522,%2Bproduction%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=%22small+arms+ammunition%22,+production&usg=__4Qb-I-Wf5KzqU81v5DF5DzWoJeU=&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jG58UMnBJsvxigLn4oHQDA&ved=0CDkQ9QEwBDgK) at its Lake City, MO plant. Add to this civilian production from firms like Federal, Hornady, Remington, etc. and you have billions, if not trillions, of rounds socked away in military and LE stockpiles as well as basements, barns and bunkers all over the country. And this doesn’t include ammo production and use in Canada and Mexico. As an infantryman I’m sure you’re aware that soldiers in a combat zone aren’t firing their weapons 24/7. Military studies going back to the Civil War have shown that during a war soldiers spend very little time in actual combat. So for a war to consume the vast stocks of ammo that currently exist in the US you would need a continuous bullet storm running for those fifteen years. That would have annihilated the population of the United States.

        As for Monroe hoarding advanced weapons for some secret purpose while arming his troops with Civil War era rifles, he’d be an idiot if he were doing this. Monroe has to control the people in the territory he’s taken, many of whom would be better armed than his troops. Then there’s the question of securing his own borders against invasion by neighboring territories. Suppose Ben’s village was sitting quietly on a cache of modern rifles and ammo when Neville and his force showed up. Remember that they need to hunt and there are marauders roaming the land. Guns provide security and food and that isn’t something you just give up because someone shouts threats at you. If upon Neville’s first move he found himself staring down the barrels of pump and semi-auto shotguns, semi-auto, bolt and lever action rifles poking from every window, roof and covered position on that town square do you think his force would have gotten frisky? We saw this movie before back in 1776 when a much more powerful army was pulling the same crap. Massed volleys don’t work against insurgents hiding in the trees with scoped long range hunting rifles.

        If the creators of Revolution want to tell their story in a world that looks like a modern version of the post Civil War frontier down to the clothing and weapons, fine. I can go with that. But they have to provide a plausible explanation as to how they got from here to there. If this were a straight up fantasy they could invoke magic and I’d be fine with that. But this is a science fiction show that sets its baseline in our present world and extrapolates ahead 15 years. There are things we know about our world that don’t match up with the world of Revolution. Imagine that this show was about running a football team in the NFL and it was blindingly obvious that the creators knew nothing about football or the NFL and didn’t bother finding out. You were just supposed to ignore the errors and oversights and enjoy the story. I don’t think that would work out well.

  5. Rob Kearney says:

    I think that Millions of reloaders is wildly exagerated… I’ve been shooting since I was in Boy Scouts (we had a great Scoutmaster that was a Marine reservist and he tought us to shoot) and I’ve maybe seen five people policing their brass in 20+ years of shooting. I have a freind who loads his ammo for competition shooting simply because he wants a specific load. He spends $3 on material for 50 rounds of reloading (and that’s not including the time spent doing the reload) compaired to $10 for factory made ammo most shooters just go to Wal-Mart and pick up a box of ammo. I’m going just off the .45 and 9mm those are the only dies he has for his reload equipment.

    As for combat operations; The face of warfare has changed, the more urban we get the more we end up fighting war in an urban enviorment. The stats have changed drastically since the civil war on the ammount of time a soldier spends in combat operations. Every time I left the base in Iraq we were in combat, not active combat but we were in a combat zone where we could expect to be engaged at any moment. The same isn’t true 40 years ago where the front lines were literal lines on a map. And like I said, in operations in an urban enviorment you use up ammo at a rapid rate, the GAO released a report last year showing that the military shoots 250,000 rounds for every insurgent casualty. We are using 1.8 billion rounds a year, so much ammo that US factories can’t keep up and we are forced to buy ammo from Israel.

    Also if Monroe signifigantly disarmed his area there isn’t a need to fear his subjects. He only has to worry about the few holdouts. I’m sure at the start of the Monroe Republic people were more than willing to give up their rights to the promise of the saftey that the Monroe Militia provided and as the Monroe republic became more pacified Mathis and Monroe then transitioned the militia to using flintlocks to conserve ammo and to consolidate the power that modern weapons provide.

    • Kyle Pope says:

      I hardly think millions is an exaggeration. There are numerous large firms dedicated to providing supplies to reloaders. Outfits like Hornady, RCBS, Dillon, Lee, etc. They’re turning out presses, dies, powder, bullets, primers, priming tools, scales, measures and selling them. Either they are making all this stuff for a small corps of dedicated reloaders or there are a lot of people out there doing it to create the demand that keeps all these companies in business. There are a lot of guns in circulation. Many people own multiple guns and use them for various purposes. Given the cost of ammunition, particularly obscure or historic calibers, many shooting enthusiasts reload their brass and hand roll from new brass.

      Warfare has changed over the millennia. And interestingly casualties have been decreasing (http://www.schiele.us/battleInfo.asp). The point I was making is that the amount of time a soldier spends using his weapon against an enemy against the total time spent in theater represents a small percentage of the overall total. Plus the fact that the majority of military personnel involved in combat operations are support personnel who do not directly engage an enemy unless attacked. This is known as the “Tooth to Tail Ratio”. This ratio has been increasing with regards to support personnel as militaries become more technologically sophisticated.

      I highly doubt that Monroe has significantly disarmed his area. It’s too big. In the aftermath of the Blackout people were depending on their weapons to keep them fed and safe. As communities formed and agriculture started the militia started helping themselves to crops they didn’t grow. We’ve yet to see or hear of the militia doing or having done anything beneficial. The Monroe Republic is ruled by a tyrant. Also we’ve only seen the population living in and around built up areas. We don’t know what’s happening in the wilderness areas. And taking guns and ammo ultimately doesn’t help because people who want guns and ammo can make more or smuggle them in. So there are weapons out there the militia doesn’t know about. Remember that the British followed the same policy of confiscating weapons and ammo from the colonists to solidify their control. Yet when the Revolutionary War broke out the rebels didn’t lack for firepower.

      And while the Monroe Republic may have a policy of disarming its subjects, the other territories might have other ideas. It is highly possible that the Georgia Federation and the Plains Nation have fully armed populations. And who knows what’s happening in Canada. Monroe’s dreams of conquest will have a hard time against the massive insurgencies such populations would be capable of. It would explain his desire for that helicopter (which, by the way, is fully capable of flying without electricity).

      And even if you accept that Monroe is using black powder weapons to conserve his stocks of modern ammo, there is no need for him to revert to muzzleloaders. There are plenty of breechloading and repeating firearms that use black powder loads. Someone is making bullets, powder and priming caps for all those percussion lock rifles. If you can make that then you can go the next step and put together a brass cartridge. That gives your force lever action Henry rifles and Winchesters. Sharps rifles and carbines are available to you. You even have modern black powder sporting rifles for your troops. Double barrel and pump action shotguns join the arsenal. Revolvers from Colt, Remington, S & W, etc. to include modern revolvers can digest black powder loads without difficulty. You can even have Gatling guns. And, by the way, who issues a soldier a single shot rifle and doesn’t give him a bayonet? Miles little swashbuckling performance in the hotel would have been shut down in a second by a massed bayonet charge or just two guys with bayonets.

      Firearms and weapons in general are something the creators of this show didn’t put a lot of research into.

      • Benjamin W says:

        I fully agree about there being millions of reloaders. It is not a very glamorous hobby so you don’t see a lot of talk about it.

        One also needs to factor in the reality that someone who is willing to get the tooling to be as self reliant as possible in regards to ammunition will tend to be the sort of person who tries to be as self reliant as possible in general. Since people tend to associate with people who have similar interests, they will be associated with other self-reliant people who, while they may not reload, will have other skills that would make survival far more likely.

        Those of us who reload ammunition also tend to like to have lots of books on the subject. I have about 10 different reloading books whore primary job is to simply tell you how much of “X” powder to put under “Y” bullet for “Z” cartridge. However, almost every one of those books, in passing, also describe in detail the manufacturing process for making everything from the primer to the powder to the bullet, some even have the chemical formulas.

        Then there are the history of firearms books that even non-reloader gun owners often have that give diagrams and picture by picture details of how it is done.

        Not to mention that all of the equipment to do this is typically mechanical and belt driven, so it can easily be converted to other power sources. When the power goes out it is not going to disappear and probably would not be the target of looters due to the size and weight of the machines. Once things settle down groups are going to realize the benefits of of having new ammunition made.

        If you “full length” size a rifle cartridge case you can get about 5 reloads out of it before the neck cracks. If you “neck size” the case you can get 20 or more loadings. However by neck sizing, the cartridge is only guaranteed to work out of the gun it was fired in and even then it is normally only used in bolt action or single shot guns. If you are loading for a few people, you can manage that by having people police their own brass. Pistol cartridges can get well over 20 loadings per case.

        As for gunpowder, smokeless would be the way to go if you are setting up for significant production. Black powder can explode at many points in its manufacturing process. Smokeless powder will at worst burn very rapidly, think road flare, making it far safer.

  6. Rob Kearney says:

    I’ll offer a correction as well. I mentioned that the guards were armed with HK MP-5’s when in fact they are HK UMP’s with EOTech holographic sights.

    Here is the Revolution page in the Internet Movie Firearms Database (IMDB for people who like guns)

    http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Revolution

  7. Iris says:

    Hi guys, does anyone have an idea what Kind of dogs they used for this Episode.
    I saw a Dobermann, a Rottweiler, a German sheperd but I really want to find out
    About the Big tigert One.

    Thanks for any help

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